Notes from Wikiquote
Sylvester: You do? | Guston: Yes and I think there is a psychological problem involved here. I've tried and I really want to [Guston really did 7 years later, c. 1967!], but I don't think it is possible. I can't. Perhaps another generation can. | Sylvester: When you say you tried... | Guston: By that I mean the isolation of the single image which is what figuration means. Is that what you are talking about? | Sylvester: Yes. | Guston: You mean like a Rembrandt? | Sylvester: Yes. | Guston: The self-portraits of Rembrandt.. ..I was in Washington the other day and looked at that late self-portrait by Rembrandt. Honest to God, I didn't know what I kept looking at. .You know the more you think about these things, the less the thing appears as they are supposed to appear [in the painting]. In those great Rembrandt's there is an ambiguity of paint being image and image being paint, which is very mysterious. | pp. 93-94