Dr. Lewis Wolpert: But because there is a beginning doesn't imply a god.

Wolpert: Yeah, but the cause doesn't have to be God. | Craig: Well, remember I gave an argument for thinking that this cause is timeless, spaceless, immaterial, enormously powerful, and personal. | Wolpert: I think it is a computer. | Craig: Well, computers are designed by people. | Wolpert: No, no. This is a self-designing computer. | Craig: Ah ha. | Wolpert: Timeless! | John Humphrys (moderator): Timeless! | Craig: Well, that's a contradiction in terms. | Wolpert: Why? What is contradictory about it? | Craig: A computer has to function. It takes time. | Wolpert: Oh no, this is a special computer. | Craig: Yeah, but it has to be logically coherent. | Wolpert: Oh, it is logically coherent. | Craig: Yes, you have to be logically coherent. | Wolpert: Oh no, this computer is amazing! | Craig: No. Besides, it would have to be, as I said, a personal being, and— | Wolpert: No. | Craig: A computer is a physical object. | Wolpert: Not this computer, oh no! | Craig: Okay, see, what you are doing is you are actually, what you are calling a computer, is really God. A non-physical, non- … it is just another word if you rob it of all the attributes that make it a computer. | Humphrys: Surely, Gates is God. | [Craig, Wolpert, Humphrys and the audience laugh] | Humphrys: Come on, go on. | Craig vs. Lewis Wolpert debate at Westminster Hall, January 2009